Going international—Part 2
by Glenda Greenberg At
one time or another, you may have wondered what it takes to carry your
actuarial skills abroad. To learn more, The Future Actuary talked
to a candidate and an FSA about uncovering international opportunities.
In the second part of a two-part series, Ronald Poon-Affat, 38, discusses
his experiences. Ronald is vice president and managing director of Gen
Re International Life and Health for Latin America. He is also the Caribbean
and country manager for Gen Re Brazil.
How did you get your start in the actuarial field?
I was born in Trinidad, and being an actuary is an extremely high-profile position there. Mervyn de Souza was a very well known finance minister in Trinidad. He was the first Caribbean actuary, and had a great influence upon the establishment of financial systems in a post-colonial era. Trinidad is a small country, but thanks to Mr. de Souza’s example, I would guess that we have produced approximately 120 qualified actuaries—most of them don’t live there, though.
I went to university in England and studied actuarial science at the City University, London. Thereafter, I worked in London in the consulting field, both with Tillinghast and KPMG Management Consultants. I qualified as a Fellow of the Institute of Actuaries when I was 25. At that time, U.K.-appointed actuaries needed to be Fellows who were at least 31. Being rather impatient with this six-year wait, I took the opportunity to return to Trinidad under the terms of a government university scholarship, which I was awarded as a result of my pre-university entry exams. The deal is that you either pay back the funding or return to the island for three years and pay taxes.
Because there aren’t many actuaries in Trinidad, I was given the opportunity to accept a very challenging position. I became the appointed actuary of one of the largest insurance companies in the English-speaking Caribbean. This life company also owned an actuarial consultancy that I had to manage. Whilst everyone would think that life’s a beach when you are assigned to the Caribbean, I must admit to never working so hard in all my life during my three-year stint in Trinidad.
After fulfilling my scholarship obligations in Trinidad, a recruiter called me to discuss the position of chief actuary for a Puerto Rican insurance company. At the time I spoke only English and my knowledge of U.S. reporting was very basic. I saw the opportunity to learn a second language and improve my U.S. GAAP skills. With this appointment I was the only qualified actuary on the island of Puerto Rico.
Puerto Rico became my introduction to U.S. accounting/legislation, health insurance and the Latin American culture and language. I was having a hugely enjoyable time until a recruiter called me regarding a very intriguing offer that was impossible to refuse. Gen Re was looking to establish its life and health practice in Brazil. Without ever traveling to Brazil and without any knowledge of Portuguese, in 1997 I packed my bags and went to live in Sao Paulo. It was a unique opportunity to represent a AAA reinsurer in one of the world’s mega-cities (20 million inhabitants) looking after one of the largest economies within the emerging markets (160 million persons). In mid-2000, I was invited to manage both the Brazilian and Argentine life and health units, which together serviced Mercosur and Chile. Then, in early 2003, our Mexico City office was included within my area of responsibilities.
In my present role as regional managing director, I don’t have to do much actuarial work anymore. The work is more risk management-oriented. I still need to talk to our clients’ actuaries and help them solve problems using reinsurance. However, my main responsibilities consist of developing business strategies, monitoring results, aligning ourselves with key clients who share similar goals, making sure the company is headed in the right direction and growing our portfolio profitably and in accordance with our corporate risk profile.
Do you miss doing actual
actuarial work?
I still undertake a lot of presentations at actuarial associations both in Latin America and at the SOA. I also publish papers and am a visiting lecturer at the University of Sao Paulo, Brazil at the MBA level, so it’s not like I’ve completely forgotten about actuarial science. It’s just that on a day-to-day basis, I’m not crunching numbers or looking at modeling software and things like that.
What skills/background should you have to prepare for an
international career?
Both the Institute and the Society produce extremely well-qualified and technical professionals, but I’ve seen a lot of highly regarded actuaries come out to Latin America that can’t make a decision due to the lack of statistical data. You have to be able to work on the fly. You have to have a feel for the people on the team. You may be used to asking for lots of detail, however now there might not be any detailed analysis. You have to make timely decisions. A lot of people freeze. With all of the detailed information available to actuaries in the United States and Europe, actuaries are not trained to make decisions in another environment. I always say that you need to be able to see order in a sea of chaos.
Be as broad as possible. Study accounting, economics, finance—IT is very important since it’s likely that you will have to sit with systems personnel to obtain technical data to assist in your work. You’re not going to be labeled as an actuary, so don’t get hung up on the technical stuff. Enjoy your freedom to get involved in other projects.
You’re going to get the job because you’re an actuary, but you are not going to be involved solely in actuarial projects. You have to understand how the company distributes and administers the products, how they underwrite the risk and how they project the financials. You will be thrown into issues like compliance and asset management.
What’s the best way to learn more about a country’s business customs?
I get lots of e-mails from people asking how I did it. To be honest, I was presented with opportunities and I did not hesitate to take advantage of them.
A more structured approach would be to learn the language of the country that you are interested in. Work in a company or a consultancy that has an overseas office, and make it known when you get a job at the company that you’re interested. Get to know your foreign-based colleagues, find out what’s going on and show an interest. I think if someone out of the blue turned up in Latin America, knocked on the door and said, “I want a job,” the answer would be no.
In general, what is the perception of actuaries in the countries you’ve worked in? Does the perception differ from country to country?
The real difference between actuaries from different countries is the time of training. In the majority of Latin countries, there are no universities that offer actuarial programs. The few countries that do (Argentina, Brazil and Mexico) offer only undergraduate programs, and the professional associations do not have additional examinations. However, I have had the pleasure of meeting and working with some exceptional local actuaries.
What are the benefits of
working internationally?
I think it’s a much broader experience, so you see a lot more things in the company. You get to travel a lot, if that’s what you like. There’s a lot of independence because you only see your boss a couple of times a year. You have to earn respect as a foreign-trained actuary. A mistake that many colleagues make is that they assume that they will be respected.
I love the independence and I’m happy to live with the consequences. You will have the opportunity to have an impact upon your organization. And this means that both the good and bad are quickly identified and you are either quickly promoted or invited to leave. There is not much room for mediocrity. The few long-standing FSAs and FIAs who are still in Latin America (and I can count them on one hand) are definitely way above average.
What are the challenges?
It depends on the flavor of the month. Right now Asia is the flavor of the month. Latin American experience doesn’t count for a lot right now. Latin America is in crisis. You can quickly go from being on a pedestal, like when Argentina was on top, to having no one interested in you.
You really have to get buy-in from your head office all the time. You have to sell confidence by communicating regularly. Your head office will have a set way of doing things. For example, the head office of your company may say, “We made money in America this way; this is what we’re going to do in Brazil.” That’s not going to happen. You’re not going to be successful that way. You have to be able to convince them that there is another way, and you have to have the vision to choose the way and win their support. You have to be able to re-write your head office’s underwriting guidelines (their rule book) and demonstrate that while the game is different in your market, there is logic, there are rules, and by following these rules it will be profitable. You need the confidence to challenge the status quo and not be a ‘yes’ man.
What would you say has been one of your most unique
experiences?
One of the key consultancy projects that I was offered during my time in Trinidad was to assume the management of an insolvent insurance company. Our firm was able to turn the company around, encourage a buyer to invest in the company to protect the remaining assets of the policyholders. That was a great feeling—to try to save the policyholders’ funds and restructure their benefits and things like that. People were going to lose their life savings.
What factors are key to success?
Internationally, you have to be very creative and decisive. You have to be proactive because the people in the head office aren’t thinking about Latin America every day. That’s a distinct advantage—you can make very high-level decisions.
I would also tell you not to expect your career to develop in the way it did at the head office. You have to come up with your career strategy, and you have to sell it to your boss. It’s not going to come to you. By being based in a far-flung subsidiary, you are out of the loop and far from the walls and corridors of influence, so you have to be proactive. You need to be skilled at recognizing opportunities, seeing the silver linings in the dark clouds and believing in yourself. It’s simple, isn’t it? Select a new article |